Age

[Bandolinohaze]

I'm sorry I completely and utterly disagree with you. (and we might have to agree to disagree) I've said this before The fetish being strong for one person doesn't justify bringing kids into it. I don't care how hot they're wearing shoes are. To answer your first question do they become off limits? YES THEY DO! What kind of dad wants their daughter walking around in something they've had their dick in, their sperm in. Lets put it this way, if you get caught with a bunch of pics of kids in heels on your PC do you think a judge will understand you have a fetish? Do you think a judge will care? Then shit rolls downhill it will trickle down and effects everyone because they will investigate you and they will find this site and then guess what? We're all on the news and being listed as perverts. When kids get involved in the picture everything changes this is different day and age. Look at what happen to Penn State just because of the actions of one person. Now I realize that that was a way more serious situation then what we're discussing here but the point i'm trying to make is when kids enter the picture benefit of the doubt goes out the window. About the only leeway I give anyone on this subject if if they're 16 or under themselves. But an adult looking at pics of underage kids just because they are wearing some shoes? I'm sorry if you have the fetish that strong that I have to recommenced therapy. People have got to be smarter. Different day and age. "Age does seem to cause a moral outcry if not a real dilemma for some, making discussion difficult. " Damn straight as it should. And the discussion shouldn't be difficult.

asdf174 Well said i agree 100% because THIS IS THE LINE our fetish CANNOT CROSS or the fetish puts us as sexual predators.

[shoddy90]

From my own experiences and from consideration of comments on this thread and others some now removed, various points seem to arise, and I think I can now better see the difficulties some have with the things discussed. If I understand correctly, for at least some of those into sniffing/licking shoes it is an intimate act to satisfy some sexual interest towards the individual they belong to and causes some feeling of having had that connection to the owner. Given that intimacy, it is more understandable they are vociferous and suffer moral outrage at others shoe habits, even claiming those actions tantamount to incest or abuse.
But it is not the same for us all.
Shoe lovers are all different, with all sorts of fantasies and preferences for footwear styles and uses.
I would hope from discussion, they and others understand that in the case of; for want of better description, pure shoe fetishists and perhaps others, there may either be very little or absolutely no desire for association with or any other interest in the particular owner, all and any actions to satisfy that desire arise through lust for the object itself, satisfied alone or with a partner.

While I may be alone in these experiences, although given content on the board I suspect not, but just seeing an attractive pair of shoes in a window, web display or on a mannequin in a shop is stimulating, although it can be nice to see them worn and moving. Watching some sexy heels under a competent wearer, seeing each movement and flex in the material, enjoying that exquisite at times barely perceptible roll from side to side and the slight wiggle as the shoe lifts and then touches down sets my heart racing, but although I am not a great fan of flats particularly ballet styles of any size, perhaps as most are badly mistreated and I like almost pristine, and despite that I am recently taking a deep interest in and fully enjoying shoes considerably further to the other end of the age range, our little flat mootsies tootsies and others, still do exactly what they were bought to do.

The fetish aside, we all have hopefully otherwise fairly normal lives and emotional relations to others, despite it seems, most often some hangups because of this sexual predilection. While "normal" people have sex, that does not automatically mean they would involve children, so why would anyone think that for those with a shoe or other fetish it would be any different.
I am not sure if studies and statistics exist, but it may be that the incidence of "serious" sex related crimes among a group who regularly and routinely achieve full sexual gratification with a desired, compliant and available fetish object such as shoes, could represent a considerably lower percentage than among the "normal" population, and more generally perhaps, some parents of teens could sleep much easier knowing a boyfriends sexual interest was in their daughters shoes.

I fully agree there need to be limits to behaviors, but whether others like it or not, those limits will only be fully engaged though self imposition, and perhaps in that there is some personal need to consider if not fully understand your own psychological make-up and relation to the fetish. While our varied footwear fun may be considered entirely unsavory by outsiders; even by some with their own variation of it, any actions or behaviors we engage in should not harm others or in any way lead to that occurring. If you realise that shoes or any other object are surrogates for a particular young owner or that age group then you should seek help; although it could perhaps controversially be considered, that if surrogacy completely controls the desire to do anything else, that would be preferable. Hopefully through some discussion of the difficulties and dilemmas this fetish brings, individuals may come to self realization, and do so.

The moderators do a great job in maintaining the board with a mixture of fantasy, personal experience and sexual stimulation, and while they ensure anything too questionable is deleted, I would hope we can all agree that nothing improper should be ever placed here or be searched for.

Perhaps this thread should be removed at some stage soon to avoid misunderstandings or misstatement of anything by members or others outside the group, but it may have been useful to have given some pause for thought and to disseminate some of the various considerations and points here, as 68newman said, "Having this fetish is tough... It's something we tend to keep to ourselves and often comes with feelings of guilt".

Thanks 68newman, who could have put it better.

[asdf174]

"Perhaps this thread should be removed at some stage soon to avoid misunderstandings or misstatement of anything by members or others outside the group, but it may have been useful to have given some pause for thought and to disseminate some of the various considerations and points here, as 68newman said, "Having this fetish is tough... It's something we tend to keep to ourselves and often comes with feelings of guilt".

Maybe, And I'm sure at some point it will be removed for those very reasons, but then again I think it's also a good/healthy conversation to have. To get people to think more about what the fetish is to them if anything. Will everyone agree with each other, no of course not. Will some debate occur yes of course. We just got to learn to handle it responsibly that's why I removed my comments because it was just making if go in circles. I also think some misunderstanding might be cultural too. I think Europeans tend to be a bit more open sexually then Americans in general.

[shoddy90]

I now think we agree fully on some points, and any differences aside, I feel some better understanding of where you are coming from. I appreciate you removed the post to avoid talking around in circles, of which, how did you remove it entirely? I cannot see a way to do that.
While I can understand reticence at making comment on contentious subjects, it is still a shame others have not added their thoughts if not experiences, although I also understand it is very difficult to use exactly the right words to ensure no misunderstanding and no opportunity for the meaning to be misconstrued.
Now, as I understand it, you think Europeans are easy; more prone to licentious and lascivious behaviors than Americans? that is contentious! ... ha ha! (wink)

[Bandolinohaze]

I hope the thread STAYS this discussions is good.

[68newman]

I hope the thread STAYS this discussions is good.

I agree. While I like looking at pics of shoes of course, I feel that discussion about how to deal with our fetish would also be a good thing. It can be lonely.

[asdf174]

I now think we agree fully on some points, and any differences aside, I feel some better understanding of where you are coming from. I appreciate you removed the post to avoid talking around in circles, of which, how did you remove it entirely? I cannot see a way to do that.
While I can understand reticence at making comment on contentious subjects, it is still a shame others have not added their thoughts if not experiences, although I also understand it is very difficult to use exactly the right words to ensure no misunderstanding and no opportunity for the meaning to be misconstrued.
Now, as I understand it, you think Europeans are easy; more prone to licentious and lascivious behaviors than Americans? that is contentious! ... ha ha! (wink)

Oh what I did was I just simply deleted the text out. Though I have noticed that when you first make a post it does give you the option to delete it. (There is a little x that appears at the top) but when I went in to delete the post after I had thought about it, I didn't see the x so I just deleted the text. I wouldn't say more prone to licentious and lascivious behaviors, as I would say I think Europeans are a little bit more open minded when it comes to sex No but seriously like if you like at all the popular high heel fetish models such as Lady B, Lady Sonia, Nicole, Lydia all either German or British. DDF Productions is a European based company (I think could be wrong on that.) Notice more people from Europe in the shoe fetish community. Now I could very well be generalizing based on a small amount of porn essentially.

[shoeyorke82]

I am glad this thread has played out the way it has.

I remember in the summer I was lambasted by some for commenting on a thread where a guy admitted he was exposing himself and masturbating to girls he wasn't 100% sure were of legal age.

At the time I mentioned what the guy was doing was disgusting. I was shocked that some people defended him by arguing he was only getting off over the shoes and not the girls themselves. For me that is just a complete and utter cop out.

[shoddy90]

Oh what I did was I just simply deleted the text out. Though I have noticed that when you first make a post it does give you the option to delete it. (There is a little x that appears at the top) but when I went in to delete the post after I had thought about it, I didn't see the x so I just deleted the text. I wouldn't say more prone to licentious and lascivious behaviors, as I would say I think Europeans are a little bit more open minded when it comes to sex No but seriously like if you like at all the popular high heel fetish models such as Lady B, Lady Sonia, Nicole, Lydia all either German or British. DDF Productions is a European based company (I think could be wrong on that.) Notice more people from Europe in the shoe fetish community. Now I could very well be generalizing based on a small amount of porn essentially.

Thank you, I can see how that works, and glad that my humorous attempt at misunderstanding was recognized.

Although moving away from discussing the propriety of considering excitement by looking at or in any other way considering sexual gratification with relatives shoes, with those age inappropriately worn by under 18's or styled particularly for them, I cannot disagree your assessment of shoe porn in the European sex industry, and while I know I am a romantic who loves shoes filled with food and fluids anyway, I think we should all raise a sexy slipper or two of wine or a bootfull of bier to those ladies you mentioned and to any others missed, for otherwise, it may have been only Lorsha feeding our shoe fantasies.

I am sure there are others, but I think hers was the first consensual shoelove I ever saw online. The memory is still exciting although it is hard to put into words, but while dirty garden girl and others do great things, in a way, Lorshas near dispassion in that video almost gave the sense it was entirely normal practice, and in combination with the woman next door quality to her and her shoes, brings it easily to my mind. Perhaps it was just so good to see that casual acceptance of shoesex, so exciting to see and hear her offer and encourage cum in her shoe, a situation so different to the furtive and solo pleasures of real life then.
I cannot find it anywhere, but I would love to see that video again.
Plenty of DGG etc on board, but here is Lorsha, although as I say, no shoes at all.
hxxp://www.youporn.com/watch/7801707/mi ... mpilation/
Perhaps she is the reason that for me, mom, and even older age shoe fantasies can sit at least as comfortably as any other. Although I had many shoe experiences before seeing her, who can say exactly when we become imprinted with a particular fetish or some niche fantasy to it.

In the case of the originator of the thread at least, he identified that his desires and sexual gratification began at school, experiences which led him to a preference that prompted his question to the board, and caused all subsequent interaction, discussion and reflection.

Thank you schoolshoes1.

[shoddy90]

This thread has made me think, not only about the specific topic, but about my past experiences and the whole shoe fetish thing.

As we are open for anyone to see and misjudge and although it could be good to discuss the age thing more freely, I cannot see any way that could happen.

Although this thread did not generate a lot of discussion or member comment and thoughts, given some of those here and others around the board, perhaps an open, a less or non specific thread for particular experiences, aspects or fetish preferences, for first and other memories, past and even current experiences; good and bad, anything members want to share with or ask others really, and while I was mainly thinking of written, perhaps pictures etc could also be appropriate at times, who knows what may come from it.

Not sure quite how it would work and can't see a topic heading under which it should start, as I can imagine experiences and comments could span every board heading or even fit none.

Anyway, just an idea, anyone any thoughts?